NXIVM

That's right, my homie, in North America alone, brace yourself, there are over 10,000 cults, which means there's 10,000 people at least manipulating multiple people at one time.

That's tens of thousands of cult leaders out there with the intention, the actual active intention of building a loyal following of people who are willing to do things that they would never normally do, like starve themselves, commit crimes, get branded like in NXIVM, or in some instances, literally they will die for that person, like in Jonestown.

And I don't know about you, but I've always been so freaking curious about how that actually happens to someone.

How do they go from a normal person walking down the street like you or your mate or your family member to becoming the most disconnected from everybody and who they used to be, and they don't even recognize themselves anymore? They start to actually believe and preach about crazy-ass stuff that they never, ever mentioned before.

I started to think about as you were talking, what's interesting though is let's say someone's isolated you and done these things, and over time, the free labor, it doesn't just happen, right? So it's not like I will have suddenly meet you and you're like, "Hey, come and work for me for free.

Come and, you know, d- disregard your entire family and pretend that everything you believed in now doesn't exist." That doesn't just happen overnight.

And so th- then you worked on the case with NXIVM with, um, a couple of the people that were there.

So if you don't mind helping me understand then what happened to somebody in NXIVM that got them to the point to go to the extreme, and then we can make the correlations between that and anyone that may be in a narcissistic relationship.

Women say they were branded, referred to as sex slaves, and forced to give collateral to guarantee their silence.

They say they were all members of NXIVM, which began as a self-help group.

Sunday night, with $55,000 in cash, guns, boxes of jewelry, and his throne, the Bhagwan and a handful of his followers fled the ranch commune.

They got as far as Charlotte, North Carolina, where US Marshals arrested Rajneesh and 12 of his friends.

Avner is either a man named Yuval Aviv, an amalgamation of several different people with a healthy dose of myth-making thrown in for good measure, or he is just a completely made-up person.

What we know for sure is that several different teams pulled off these assassinations, not just one, and that Yuval Aviv, a man with ties to the IDF, a man who would start Interfor in nineteen seventy-nine, one of the main mercenary firms that worked with NXIVM, would claim to be the mysterious Avner.

He was in fact born in Israel in nineteen forty-seven, and he did join the IDF.

Although, records are unclear whether he was a sergeant or a gate guard.

He also would spend the next several decades having his personal and professional fortunes increase.

And I'll tell you, it's pretty rare for somebody to directly take on US intelligence and end up better off than when they started.

And if you accept this, which I really do think is fairly reasonable given the circumstantial evidence, the question I would ask next is: have Yuval Aviv and Interfor been assets, or at least people in a symbiotic give-and-take relationship with the CIA the whole time, if not in fact a literal cutout? I think that question gets pretty interesting when you start thinking about how they acted as an enforcement arm for NXIVM.

The official story is that the Bronfman sisters hired Interfor in two thousand three after the Forbes hit piece that came out.

It's like, it's a frustrating place to be.

But I understand, like, because considering that, as well as the fact that the former husband's newly arranged marriage with this woman by the name of Rachel Dennis, uh, uh, who happens to be, uh, essentially a fertility doctor with interesting family ties to the Brofman human trafficking Nex- NXIVM cult, which was described by prosecutors as a secret society comprised of branded and brainwashed female slave, which, which we know this.

Uh, I understand why people have grown very skeptical of this case and why it's almost like a cornucopia of conspiratorial concepts being provided to, uh, you know, all different walks of the ideological spectrum.

And so to be clear- Again, the, i- this, I think it's very important for people to realize that as I said before, nothing absolves you of guilt if you are a consenting adult, right? You do not get the option to skirt any accountab- any and all accountability whatsoever for murdering your own children.

Which again, this individual is a partner of Edgar Bronfman Jr.

Which this is a direct connection into the Seagram's liquo- liquor, uh, dynasty and, and empire.

So we have interesting, uh, just as far as a potential tie-in to the NXIVM cult, which I had mentioned before, right? These female, mind-controlled female slaves, sex slaves are basically being branded within the, the context of NXIVM.

Roy Dennis is a business part- partner of Edgar Bronfman Jr.

There's so many beautiful philosophical questions, but I moved here after F. Thea Kaplan and The Vow had come out, and I'm just interested in so much of what it sounds about for the Vancouver Centre was so different.

Like you were saying before, there was a real separation between those that are really in a level of NXIVM and what was happening with Vancouver.

Just interested in your kind of like what the experience was of

I want to answer that question, but I'm kind of in fight or flight from this last conversation.

I think, I mean, even Nippy walked out and he was less frazzled by it than I was for sure.

And I think there's another level of upset.

This is just left over from NXIVM, like to be cut off from somebody and some people in our case, a community who were reframing the narrative that we were the bad guys in the scenario and to not be able to like talk about it and heal that rupture.

And by the way, with many people, we still haven't.

The way to what? The way to some kind of extraordinary difference.

And look, you see this in Scientology, in NXIVM, in all of that.

Absolutely.

Yeah.