Norman Love

I mean, you know, Vosges had started.

Um, you know, uh, No- Norman Love had literally started within, you know, p- couple of months of us.

Um, you know, and of course Burdick, uh, L.A. Burdick was the one place that I was able to kind of, like, look at and say, "Wow, that, that is different.

That's special.