Norland University of Early Childhood

She didn't really kind of receive much mothering in that way.

She became a Norland nanny, which is like the nannies for diplomats, you know, like the fiercest kind of nanny.

So that's the kind of mothering my mother got was from this trained nanny.

Even though my mother, she picked up a lot of beautiful stuff from her sister-in-law out in South Africa.

Um, but, you know, it's th- a very child-friendly occasion, as is Christmas, obviously.

But, you know, what are they gonna do? Send their, send them with their governess or their Norland nanny because, you know, Meghan and Harry can't come, and just...

Or leave the children at the gate and just shoo them towards the church and then run away and hide in a bush.

I mean, it, it's fraught with difficulties.