No Weapon

For this two-part series on Heart and Soul, last week, I spoke to Kirk Franklin to find out more about the man behind the music, and now I cannot wait to do the same with Fred.

Like Kirk, Fred has been open over the years about the highs and lows he's faced, and I want to find out more about his life and personal faith journey to better understand what's influenced some of the biggest gospel songs in the world.

[upbeat music] In the field.

Blessed.

It's, it's about singing.

When I write, I...

When I left Commission, one thing I did was I wanted to write songs that people sang, and not people listening to me sing.

Mm-hmm.