And then I haven't come up with a clear answer to where it's actually needed, other than that it feels like something and it's a beautiful thing to have that feeling.

our lived experience is what defines us, right? And I think the two aspects that come to mind that I think of constraints into what you discussed is if all life's purpose is whether it's self-directed or not, is self-maintenance.

From Pfizer to us, our goal is to maintain our system in as much capacity as possible.

And if we relate in physics to that, it's one aspect that we can't get around is the fact that we are an open system.

we are intimately integrated into our environment.

And a lot of the models that I feel don't really recapitulate that is that the idea of embodied cognition, where the intelligence emerges from continuous interactions from between the organism and its environment is one aspect that I think needs to be taken seriously.

Like where we can create these internal models where most of them are actually capitulated from neural networks, right? Like a lot of the AI models are, complex neural networks, but we know that, you know, slime mold is a perfect example.

First of all, I'd be curious about your journey, but also how you see that in general, that we need to become more practical in that

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... is that the, the fact that, you know, maybe the, the wavelength, the, the h- the oscillations of these light, the fact that they, they could carry biological information itself would be meaningful, because if you look into your brain, between your two brain cells are, you know, things that carry information in from one part of your brain to the other, we call that the white matter or the axons.

The white matter, we're starting to see, can carry photons.

So maybe each of those bundles of nerves act like a fiber optic cable and the same fiber optic cable that we see in telecommunication, they carry pulses of light that, you know, that we use to carry information.

Why can't our brain do that?

What, when does the light start? And then does it truly go away?

Yeah.

So the, in that paper, they, I think their, they, the initial study was to just look at these different kinds of detectors when an animal was alive and, and dead, and the photon signatures obviously dissipate when it, when the animal dies.