But what do you think about the relational aspect of healing, and how important is that, Meredith?

Yeah, I mean, I think, uh, we have a lot, like as you said, we have a lot of examples of, of how important this is, and as they-- we've talked a lot about therapeutic alliance and then how important that is to facilitate healing even within doctor's offices, with acupuncturists, with a healer.

We have millennia of healing rituals that are based on an interpersonal engagement or an interpersonal ritual that will facilitate a healing response.

So there's something about the ability to align with someone and to be witness that can allow us to surrender, and when I say by surrender is kind of to give ourselves over to something larger than ourselves that can help that healing process.

So you can find that in churches, you can find that with healers, but you can also find that with a good friend and a good doctor.

I think a lot of the time, either when we're sick or even if just we need guidance or help, the, the ability for someone to witness and also allow you to surrender to the process you need to heal yourself is really, like, key in life.

I think therapeutic alliance is one of those, those key elements, not just for, uh, energy healing, but even in just everyday life to feel seen and heard can then apparently affect our, our mitochondria, like, uh, Martin Pookard talked about in the episode, right? So he says that even our social relationships can show up in the, in the way our mitochondria look.

... what does energy come to mean for you?

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Can you describe a little bit about what you're seeing?

But what do you think about the relational aspect of healing, and how important is that, Meredith?

Yeah, I mean, I think, uh, we have a lot-- Like as you said, we have a lot of examples of, of how important this is, and as they...

We've talked a lot about therapeutic alliance and then how important that is to facilitate healing, even within doctors' offices, with acupuncturists, with a healer.

We have millennia of healing rituals that are based on an interpersonal engagement or an interpersonal ritual that will facilitate a healing response.

So there's something about the ability to align with someone and to be witness that can allow us to surrender, and when I say by surrender is kind of to give ourselves over to something larger than ourselves that can help that healing process.

So you can find that in churches, you can find that with healers, but you can also find that with a good friend and a good doctor.

I think a lot of the time, either when we're sick or even if just we need guidance or help, the, the ability for someone to witness and also allow you to surrender to the process you need to heal yourself is really, like, key in life.

What does energy come to mean for you?

Why don't you give me your takeaway from what Lorenzo shared with us?

I think it's fascinating.

I mean, regardless of what's happening, I think it's incredible that you found so many different effects at so many different layers that they looked at with the cells and the animals.

You had changes in genetic factors.

You had it affecting the microenvironment of the tumor.

You also have these bioelectric changes on the cell gradient that then can change how the cancer reintegrates back into your body.

And then they found this really fascinating result with the mitochondria.

So I, I know science, you know, moves slowly for a reason, but what do you think, what's needed as the next step here?