So, Nina, what do you think you can do to tackle some of those things?

I mean, I think Alicia's got it right.

And I actually do think a center like this is a first step toward really building the resilience of the population.

I used to have a lot of conversations about 10 years ago where I'd be in rooms with ministries of defense and ministries of foreign affairs across Europe.

And I'd always ask them, where's your ministry of education? Where's your ministry of culture? And even though this has been framed as a national security effort, I think there's an opportunity for the government here to to bring in folks who are working on those issues at the UK government level, but also, again, to bring in community organizations.

There's a lot of research that shows that when we're trying to teach people about information resilience, it doesn't work the best when it comes from on high.

But if you train people at the grassroots level to deliver those messages, not, you know, as a form of propaganda, but say you're working in an inner city and they're worried about crime rates that they're seeing.

We're going the other way.

At what point does that switch from I'm just venting to this is harassment, this is a problem, and what should the recipients of that or the targets of that do about it?

Yeah.

So the way I describe this in my book, How to Be a Woman Online, which despite its title, I think has good tips for everybody who's engaging in ideally civil discourse on the internet.

If somebody is not engaging in good faith, that's when I mute and move on or sometimes block, right? If they're saying something really horrible, you should feel empowered to use the block button early and often.

I think we're all kind of conditioned to believe that these social media profiles, these You know, feeds that we curate for ourselves are some sort of utopia, but actually it's like the Wild West of all rules are off and there's no consequences.

And so you should not force yourself to endure that just out of some kind of like democratic ideal that doesn't exist.

But if you do want to try to engage people and get them to see your side of things, that's when I'll give them one reply and I say something nice and polite and measured.

And do you see kind of an intersection with all of this stuff and scams?

How is AI opening up this new front?

Yeah.

So this is really interesting because the best disinformation, the best foreign influence campaigns are always tapping into something that is authentic in foreign discourse, in this case, American discourse.

And this war is extremely unpopular.

Both the war and the president are polling at about a 60% disapproval rating, give or take a few percentage points, depending on who you're looking at right now, which poll you're looking at.

And so that means that when people see this stuff, it's speaking to them.

And indeed, In previously successful foreign influence campaigns, that is that sort of authentic discontent, authentic grievance is the sort of thing that's fueled real success among the public.

And with policy planning, the boundary between free speech and disinformation, misinformation, propaganda, whatever you want to call it, what are companies to do right now how are they handling it