Nicky Winmar

why you empathize with the pullman five because you think you've been through something similar

Well, all I'm saying is we got charged, this podcast got charged, fined $100,000 for discussing why Nicky Winmar lifted his jumper up at Victoria Park.

And we said, this is ridiculous.

We...

We paid the $100,000, but it was on our conditions, our terms.

We said, we'll pay the $100,000 to the AFL through the Michael Long Trust, which is an Aboriginal trust, and that money would go to giving Nicky Winmar a job as a promoter.

promote Aboriginal affairs and as an ambassador for the AFL.

How did that work out? They took his statue down after he got convicted of domestic abuse.

No, you're just going to do it.

Nicky Winmar's famous stand against racism or Sally Pearson's Olympic gold 2012?

I love Sally Pearson's.

I think for longevity – oh, geez, that doesn't age well.

I think for what it meant, Nicky Winmar.

Nicky Winmar's famous stand against racism or Australia's win in the Rugby World Cup of 1991 when they defeated England 12-6 at Twickenham?

Again, I'm going to have to say longevity and the importance of it.

Nicky.

Wednesday morning in Perth, going to be a hot one, 29 degrees.

So, Sean, as we speak, there is a press conference over somewhere near where the Nicky Winmar statue used to stand, which is kind of like...

Ironic.

A little ironic.

So the long walk, all of those things, organising a number of the past players, a lot of the past players, ringing them up, getting them organised to try and celebrate this because obviously it was a shift up, it was a change with regards to the ways that the AFL were going to do things.

So this is a massive outcome for Western Australia.

This will be great for the localised communities audience that is here, hopefully reinvigorating the issues that Jodie spoke of, and we've spoken about over numerous weeks here, and obviously we mentioned the irony, cue Alanis Morissette, the irony of the Nicky Winmar statue not being there, the absence, the silence of that, but now they're talking about that over there on the grounds over in that situation.

So trying to reinvigorate and to reimagine what these things are going to be for the West Australian, not just the economy, but for people more broadly, I think will be incredible.

I think we should just get rid of them.

I mean, the Nicky Winmar statue, for instance, which was erected not long ago to recognise his stance against racism in the AFL back in 1995 when he lifted his jumper when he was playing for St Kilda and pointed at his black skin.

That's now been removed because he's been through court on domestic violence charges.

So where and when do you draw the line and how do you sort of judge history? It's a...

And then nothing to do with me.

And then Mike Sheehan left the podcast because he was cited indirectly by the then CEO of the AFL, Gil McLaughlin, for vilification, but just chatting about Nicky Winmar lifting his jumper up.

I had nothing to do with that.

And consequently we got fined and Don and I sued the photographer because he was a patent liar and dishonest and we got our money back and Mick drifted into the ether having to pay his third of the fine.

As we get through the 90s where more games are broadcast, we lose the phenomenon of the non-broadcast game and how if you took a great mark in a non-broadcast game, it would really hurt your chances of winning Mark of the Year.

Now, I know there's many that say Nicky Winmar took Mark of the Year every second week at Moorabbin, but the games weren't broadcast regularly.

I've seen some Ablett footage where he is...

I mean, in 1985, he took Mark of the Week six times.

Who against? Collingwood by eight points.

93 is the Nicky Winmar game.

So such a significant game in footy history, but it was also a really good game of footy.

1996, St Kilda and Collingwood play the centenary round commemoration game because they played the first ever game in 1897 and St Kilda win.