And your, your three and a half years or so at OpenAI, how have they gone?

The only through line in how I've made any sort of employment decision has been entirely people-based.

So I, I don't claim any credit for, for, uh, joining OpenAI, um, or predicting ChatGPT or anything like it.

But, um, I, uh, um, hit up someone who I admire a lot, who I got to, got to know at Dropbox, um, Joanne, who, uh, worked, worked here at the time.

And she, uh...

I asked her to get off the DALL-E 2 wait list, and she told me I had to interview if I wanted to get off the wait list.

Mm.

Um, and, um, and this was a moment where we were still trying to kind of find use cases that were hard enough for the AI, for the reasoning to, you know, make, make a difference.

I feel like we're all broadly starting to reckon with how people actually use this technology at scale, and I'm wondering what you have learned and how these headlines over the past couple of months have made you feel specifically, as the one running the product.

Yeah, look, I've been with ChatGPT since before it launched.

So I feel like I've, you know, worked at three, four different companies, frankly, because you hit new tier, like sort of levels of scale and everything changes in terms of how you have to behave and how you have to run, um, your product and business.

And I think there certainly is something profound about being on track for, you know, a billion weekly users.

We just crossed 700 million, right? Um, that really makes you think, "Okay, what are the cohorts of our...

or what are the different types of users we have? And how can we make sure that the product serves all of them?" You know, we talked a lot about consumers versus power users, but you also have to assume that, you know, some people maybe aren't reading your UI as closely as some of the old cohorts did.

And, you know, in, in the case of the feature that you mentioned, I just wanna address it head-on, you know, we had a, we had the ability when you shared a flow.

And I think a lot of people on the outside are wondering, where is this growth coming from? Can you share why it's growing, how it's growing, biggest markets, demographics, any of that?

What's the simplest way to just understand what this is, what it unlocks, what people can do with it? Give us kind of the, the pitch.

I'm so excited about GPT-5.

It, uh, I think for most people is going to feel like a, a real step change.

If you're the average ChatGPT user, and we have, you know, 700 million of them, um, this week, we, uh...

You, you've probably been on GPT-4.0 for, you know, a while.

You probably don't even think about the model that powers the product, and GPT-5 is, is...

it just feels categorically different.

Uh, do you have any kind of heuristics for how to make these trade-offs, do all this at once and stay sane and be successful?