For those that maybe are not familiar, can you just give us a brief outline on what this event is all about?

Yeah, sure.

Thanks, Mike.

Look, I really love this event.

It's an annual event.

It's been running now, I think, for about 34 years here in Perth.

And I'd say it's really the main kind of premier prayer event for our city, with around 1,400 people gathered in the Crown Grand Ballroom.

thanks for the reminder 34 years it's been going and you're expecting about 1400 people in the room and the people in the room are a cross section of people there's often school groups go a whole bunch of different organisations it's a real cross section of the Perth community Nick what's been your personal connection and involvement with the Governor's Prayer Breakfast

What is this event for the guys and the girls? What does it actually look like?

Well, first of all, the, they've got their nationals going on over here for all age groups at the moment.

It's the 16s and 18s that I come over to.

Uh, that's largely because I'm here supporting a couple of our academy clients, uh, with what their players are doing.

So coaches, uh, attend these events, but also there's a whole plethora of college coaches at these events.

So including the ones we work with, I always find that going to a college to visit a, a, a college coach, a client, a prospective client, is a bit fraught because they don't have a lot of time.

But when they come here, it's sort of a reunion of the college coach.

Mm-hmm.

What is this event for the guys and the girls? What does it actually look like?

Well, first of all, the- they've got their nationals going on over here for all age groups at the moment.

It's the 16s and 18s that I come over to.

Uh, that's largely because I'm here supporting a couple of our academy clients, uh, with what their players are doing.

So coaches, uh, attend these events, but also there's a whole plethora of college coaches at these events.

So including the ones we work with, I always find that going to a college to visit a, uh, a college coach, a client, a prospective client, is a bit fraught because they don't have a lot of time, but when they come here, it's sort of a reunion of the college coach.

Um, so yeah, I'm visiting our current clients, but also just having a look at what the standard is.

Mm-hmm.

Yep.

We shouldn't even call it forced error because it's too easy to put forced errors in the same bucket as unforced errors, when actually forced errors is by definition forcing your opponent into error.

So an unforced error is when you had every opportunity to make the shot.

A forced error is when your opponent has played a shot that you had no reasonable expectation of getting back.

When you're trying to measure the development of a player, you must measure the difference.

The, the interesting thing in the last 15 years or so, and it's just come about because of ease of calculation I think, is that when people are looking at the ATP or the WTA numbers, and some analysts use the same version of this-

Yep

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Yep.

We shouldn't even call it forced error because it's too easy to put forced errors in the same bucket as unforced errors, when actually forced errors is by definition forcing your opponent into error.

So an unforced error is when you had every opportunity to make the shot.

A forced error is when your opponent has played a shot that you had no reasonable expectation of getting back.

When you're trying to measure the development of a player, you must measure the difference.

The, the interesting thing in the last 15 years or so, and it's just come about because of ease of calculation I think, is that when people are looking at the ATP or the WTA numbers, and some analysts use the same version of this-

Yep

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And I think a lot of entrepreneurs and business owners can kind of find what aspect of it or figure out how they connect to that because there's an aspect of creativity and creation that is common.

And actually, you make a very good point there is that a lot of times people hear the word process.

And whenever I talk to a group about it, I'll ask people what comes to mind when I use the term process.

And a lot of times people come up with ideas around, you know, just kind of, you know, repetitive or boring or, you know.

And the reason I have that conversation is because I think those are valid experiences that they've had in one form or another and how they've been introduced to this idea of process.

And.

A lot of times, people have been fed a process from the top down, and it's actually made their jobs more difficult.

But then my question to you is, how do you get people to see what they've taken for granted?

Mm.

Big organizations don't put out incorrect data.

But define for me a participant.

Um, that's the key to it.

Otherwise, we're just shouting at the rain over, you know-Whether, whether the numbers are correct.

I'm sure the numbers are correct.

But then you get to things like, um, you know, trying to prove whether, uh, tournament entries are up or down based on UTR or something like that.

Yep

Mm.

Big organizations don't put out incorrect data.

But define for me a participant.

Um, that's the key to it, otherwise we're just shouting at the rain over, you know, whether, whether the numbers are correct.

I'm sure the numbers are correct.

But then you get to things like, um, you know, trying to prove whether, uh, tournament entries are up or down based on UTR or something like that.

And I guess transparency is the number one thing.

Yep