Care to shed some lights on how banded pygmies came about and are they, in your opinion, a different species or are they the same?

Oh, they're absolutely not pygmy pythons.

That is a I mean, I would not say I am responsible for the common name of those things.

I didn't pick that common name, but we wrote the Antaresia book.

People like common names, and here's a weird thing that just literally didn't have a common name at the time, so probably partly responsible for that, but they're not related in any meaningful way to Perthensis.

The word pygmy is not It's like calling a brettles python a carpet python.

It's like, well, maybe, I guess.

That, to me, tells me, is it possible that she's had just full parthoclutches?

Mm.

Because just the way the, the ocean comes up and comes down and the topography, so it is, its time to be connected and interbreeding with the other two populations is the least of the three.

Whereas a, a land connection between New Guinea and Cape York Peninsula persists much longer.

And when the sea level starts to, uh, go down even a little bit, the first place it gets reconnected, that gets reestablished.

So they're...

The period of disconnect between Australia, b- between Cape York and New Guinea is very brief.

It happens on and off again, but it's not for very long.

Mm

When it's pop culture, when it's in everyone's face.

the more traction this documentary gets, it'll generate some ill will in the public, and it'll make local legislators at the state, local, and federal level be more amenable, the more aware they are of this, they'll be more amenable to bullshit legislation put forward by the usual stuff.

It's always the same groups.

It's always PETA.

It's always the Nature Conservancy.

It's always the same people.

It's always the same groups.

there any way to find those hybrids you made way back in the day? Like, is there a Nick Muttin line of hybrids I could find? Oh,