And then a kid goes home and their mom asks, what was the talk about today in Sunday school or at youth group? And the kid can tell the story and it has nothing to do with what the youth pastor wanted.

Exactly right.

Exactly right.

So you want to try to avoid those.

You know, there's...

There's certainly some wisdom in trying to think through the length of illustrations.

If I have 30 minutes to teach, do I really want 10 or 15 minutes tied up in these three or four illustrations? No, that's like a disproportional amount.

What would you say to someone who's watching or listening who is just struggling to prioritize their own relationship with God, knowing that you've been in ministry a long time, you lead a team of ministers that you encourage this to, why should someone fight for that time with God?