Nick Andersen

It's probably two thirds the size it was three years ago.

And I really like what Nick Anderson is doing there in terms of saying, I'm going to use these resources, these limited resources for these purposes.

Right.

But there should be more resources.

where she is also the director of Australia's Cybersecurity Center.

And joining her, we have Nick Andersen, who is the acting director of CISA, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency.

He's been doing yeoman's work in D.C. for a long time and a good friend and coming back to join us in Cyber Focus.

So really excited about today's conversation.