Yeah, thanks.

Yeah, I think it's kind of limitless, especially with comics.

I mean, obviously, there's the comics that need a kind of pace and structure and style.

Like, I think of Joe Sacco and, like, you know, I don't know.

There's certain, like... books and like, uh, Shrowan, Olivier Shrowan and stuff where even within this kind of really surreal, unexpected, you know, way about the story being told and what's happening, there's still a kind of, there's still like, there's still tracks and we're, we're staying on a kind of on a track and that's great.

But I think there's also, there's also no rules with comics.

And I think it comes back to this, um, this how how how affordable it is to make comics and so there really is no there's no studio notes there's no you know with film or something you're going to have these like investors that are going to require certain maybe are going to require certain um beats to be hit and certain like a certain structure to be adhered to um that comics don't And I think music similarly doesn't, you know, there's a, there's much more freedom, I think, to not have a chorus or to just have, you know, atonal droning happening.

It could be in the moment.

I love that.

Yeah.

I think it's, I think it's kind of limitless, especially with comics.

Like, I mean, obviously there's the comics that really require that, that need a kind of pace and structure and style.

Like I think of, um, Joe Sacco and like, you know, um, I don't know, there's certain like books and like Schrauen, Olivier Schrauen and stuff where even within this kind of really surreal, unexpected, you know, way about the story being told and what's happening, there's still a kind of, there's still like, there's still tracks and we're staying on a kind of, on a track and that's great.

But I think there's also no rules with comics.

And I think it comes back to this, this, how, how, how affordable it is to make comics.

It could be in the moment.

you know, this is a, it's a new world to me.

Yeah.

I, I mean, I, I'm, I'm trying not to sound, um, bullshitty or pretentious, but like, there's these ways of, like, I think all of us, we have a very, um, we have a very, we're very varied creatures, right? We, we, we take in a lot, we have a lot of input.

We, um, and we, we consume a lot.

And then, so by contrast or, or as a result, I should say our output is pretty varied or, or I would say mine is.

So I, I take in all of this, um, art and, and that sort of thing.

And, um, and it's a confluence of all of these things and experiences and, and work and it comes out in all of these different ways.

Crumb has become respectable, like John Waters has become respectable in these sort of ways, this generational sort of, you know, appreciation.

Mm

... kind of vague, but it's a case by case kind of situation with music.

Sometimes a, a melody, if I have a melody, it's really hard to puzzle piece the right words and not just have it be abstract gibberish, but have it be meaningful and have it feel like something, um, substantial.

So it, it is a puzzle, but I think I've always got a running Notes app basically on my phone.

Many, many notes on the Notes app, but the one I have is just ideas and kind of prompts, words, subjects, kind of like ideas just to jump off from.

And so, you know, I might have a couplet or a line or two here or there, and so I can jump off from that.

But, you know, having the music, especially music that's, you know, didn't c- i- if it didn't originate from me or e- even if half of it did, but, but let's say in, in some cases none at all, it opens a new kind of pathway for me to allow the, the, the, the gates kinda open and then just words and, and ideas can kinda flood in.

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It was, like, right when I moved here, 2010 maybe.

'10 or '11 maybe, yeah.

I had just moved here.

I wasn't even officially living here at the time.

I don't know how I got into the world of hanging out in that space.

I think maybe it goes back to what I was saying with, like, music and my introduction to music, and how I never felt like I was fully...

You know, I was kinda self-taught, and I was just poking around at how to make music, and I think maybe I never f- really felt like I belonged in that world as much.

Mm

Can you talk through the distinctions between graphic novel and comic?

Personally, like a graphic novel, you know, a good example, there's a really good one from Canada called Ducks by Kate Beaton, and it tells, um, the author's story about being on the oil, uh, fields in Alberta, and just the destitution, just, it's just a, you know, late capitalism just like, just extracting resources from the world at, at like, without any care or consideration.

And then you've got these, so these shitty conditions, and then you've got these people that are just kind of at the edge of society and how they behave, and they behave kind of poorly.

In, in her case she was assaulted and, and so it sort of tells her story.

It's a very harrowing, very serious story very beautifully told.

Um, and you know, an essential book, and like there's so many like that that are so good.

And it's big and, you know, it's like it's 300 pages or whatever and you feel like you're, you're reading a novel in graphic form.

You're gonna eat popcorn.