Nicholas Negroponte

And that's part of the revolution.

But yeah, Negroponte.

Nicholas Negroponte,

exactly.

Negroponte.

Definitely feels like the identic workflow.

I don't know.

Okay.

So apropos of that, if you recall before digital diffusion, which I'll use as a phrase for just the Sort of the MIT Media Labification of the media industry and Nick Negroponte.

But if you just say kind of digital diffusion.

Before digital diffusion and before the hyperproliferation of the second age of independent labels and fragmentation of musical genres that you and I-

that I'm just curious to get all of your sort of fresh-eyes takes on.

Does any of this make any sense? Was any of this a good idea? Should we have ever done any of this? All right, so to start the story, we have to go back to sort of the early 2000s at the MIT Media Lab with two men in particular, Seymour Papert and Nicholas Negroponte.

Nicholas Negroponte is sort of the main character of this story.

Addy, can you just describe Nicholas Negroponte a little bit? Nicholas

Negroponte is founder of the MIT Media Lab, sort of the patron saint of techno-utopianism in some way.

One of the early founders of Wired, wrote a column for Wired, was interested in education and specifically something called constructionism, which is where Seymour Papert comes in as well.

And you are in kind of the beginning of the thick of the learn to code era.

Yeah.