Neil McCauley

... he's gone, he's gone to ground.

Um, we probably don't have to worry about him because he's enough of a professional, unlike Neil McCauley.

He's not gonna come back for Wangro.

He, he's never gonna raise...

There's the Michael Mann the artist.

There's Michael Mann the artist, and I think that he is very much...

I think one of the reasons why Neil McCauley is one of the most interesting characters in h- in the Mann-verse, the Manniverse-

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So if we think about some of the markets, the haircuts that have been established in some later movies, heat, I think...

Nate pays Neil McCauley 40 cents on the dollar for the 1.6 in stolen bearer bonds in Heat.

And in a film called Cops and Robbers, which is a great little underexplored 70s gem.

The bonds there.

Let's do it.

And, you know, he's a player just like the other guy is a player.

And, of course, Van Zandt tries to rip off Neil McCauley, which is not smart.

Yeah, Roger Van Zandt? Yeah, who's this? You know what this is.

Yeah, yeah.

Where these guys follow the rules better than, uh, Vincent Hanna and Neil McCauley do.

Like, the, the, there's no connections.

There's no emotions with people.

Stephen Graham.

It's got Stephen Graham in it as Babyface Nelson, our upcoming- It's true ... young Neil McCauley.

It's true.

It's true.

Everyone's up.

And you can totally see... across public enemies, particularly with actors like Cotillard and Billy Crudup and just like people who pop in, Stephen Graham, who now is cast as Neil McCauley in Heat 2, like Jason Clarke is excellent.

Oh my word, he's excellent.

David Wenham just pops up, like really crushes for like a while, you know, had to leave his family on Christmas Eve in Australia to fly to Chicago or something like that for like months on end.