So maybe you can unpack some of those.

Yeah, so, I mean, I'll go.

It'll be a little broad because, of course, we're talking about hundreds of years of history.

But I think that the first, again, you can really say from the colonial period to the 1830s, and we pick the 1830s because Horace Mann becomes the first secretary of the State Board of Education of Massachusetts in 1837.

This is where people tend to say we start the common schooling movement, the idea that you should really have students schools that are common to everybody with some level of state control and state uniformity.

There were things that you might call common schools before that.

Again, it's not as clear cut as, you know, we often say history is because it's easier to just try and to explain things with what we hope looks like kind of clear-cut delineations, but it isn't.

So, you know, kind of an entree to talk a little bit more about some of the more recent things and towards the end of the book.

Um, tell us about the in- history of the involvement of federal involvement in education and, uh, conservative opposition to it ever since the department was founded, and is the effort to eliminate the Education Department a good thing or not?

Sure.

So I appreciate the plug for my book.

I should also say I wrote one called Feds in the Classroom, which is more specifically about the federal stuff, but it was a long time ago.

But if people wanna read both of them, you know, feel free.

Um, I encourage reading anything I wrote.

Um, I will try and get a sort of a scope of the history.

Um, to what degree is he, uh, right, and to, to what degree is he wrong?