National Party

I think we take also...

As much as the system was wrong, but there's something that the National Party did right.

It came with political will, and it was not talking about portals and infrastructure.

It spoke about developing the Boers, who were the poor of the poorest at the time in 1948.

Professor Ruth Hall is the director of the Institute for Poverty, Land and Agrarian Studies at the University of the Western Cape in Cape Town.

She says that apartheid ended in South Africa with a whimper rather than a bang, with the outgoing National Party and the African National Congress reaching a stalemate just as the Cold War ended.

So we had support from the Soviet Union, primarily for liberation movements.

And the South African apartheid government relied on Western funding.

And both parties were brought to the table because the wider geopolitical context had shifted and they were both forced to the table.

So when Mandela took office in 1994, his government couldn't simply hand back all the land that had been stolen.

Instead, it had to work closely with the party of the old white apartheid regime, the National Party, to find something that would work for both black and white South Africans and avoid the real possibility of a civil war.

Even before getting into power, the African National Congress, Mandela's party, had already agreed that there would not be nationalisation of land or indeed of the mines or of the banks.

Individuals, at least, on both sides committed crimes.

It's possible that Mayor, because he was with the National Party at the time, he would have been part of whatever discussions, of course, they're being denied, that could have happened to say, look, okay, fine, we're going to work together to build a post-Separatist Africa, but this and this and this is off the table.

I'm sure those things happened.

And I think we have to accept, we have to have the maturity to accept that certain things we agreed upon that otherwise we'd have prolonged the war.

If you missed it, we were covering prime evil Eugene de Kock, one of the worst perpetrators of evil during apartheid who did unspeakable things and was convicted of two life sentences and a further 212 months in prison.

in the mid-90s, who spoke at the Campepe Commission on Monday this week, basically exposing, from his perspective, how ANC leadership and NP leadership conspired to cover each other's backs and make sure that none of the top evil within the National Party ever faced accountability for the crimes of a party that they enabled, including F.W. de Klerk, who would win an extremely, let's just say, suspicious Nobel Peace Prize in the early 1990s, along with Nelson Mandela.

Okay, so let's get into the WhatsApp line and the YouTube comments from yesterday from our recorders.

So Sandy Pazadenhout says, don't you find it rather strange that Eugene de Kock utters these claims just before the election? Sour grapes, some under the table bucks, from who? Just wondering.

Yeah, I feel like quid pro quo doesn't really apply when it's a human rights violation.

Then

at, I think it's Siv Wiso or Sive Wiso, why are you pointing at Mbeki and the ANC? De Kock worked for the National Party government and he names the people who scapegoated him.

Why are you dragging the ANC into this? Sive, I assume that you made this comment before we explained at great length why we're talking about the ANC in this, because the Campepe Commission is about how ANC leaders allegedly tried to cover up the apartheid leadership's great evils.