National Investigations Committee On Aerial Phenomena
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Sep 12, 2026
Clayton JamesHOST
He essentially became the crazy UFO guy.
Stuart JamesHOST
He basically founded NICAP.
Clayton JamesHOST
Yeah, that's the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena, and it was a civilian organization.
Clayton JamesHOST
In 1956, Dr.
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Stuart JamesHOST
We know about his career with Lockheed after that.
Stuart JamesHOST
So we know for sure that there are ties to military industrial complex and the intelligence community that span the rest of his career.
Stuart JamesHOST
We know he definitely was involved in NICAP and the UFO research.
Stuart JamesHOST
Those are all established facts.
Barry RothGUEST
And I think that the exciting part is we're coming up to the tail end of the last of the big three civilian UFO research groups, which is the last one being the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization.
Barry RothGUEST
And that they're going to be finally all in chronological order, along with NICAP and with CUFOS and all the other subset organizations that we have.
Barry RothGUEST
So now we can say, somebody says, do you have material on this? We can go right to that date and then look at all the organizations that were involved.
TJ TroutHOST
That's great.
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Barry RothGUEST
And they've got a lot of platform data from that.
Barry RothGUEST
And they have some civilian videos, but mostly it's military.
Barry RothGUEST
What we have is we represent, for instance, we have the NICAP files, the National Investigative Committee on Aerial Phenomena.
Barry RothGUEST
One time had over 14,000 members.
Kevin RandleGUEST
What happened was the Air Force claimed that there were only three witnesses, uh, to this event.
Kevin RandleGUEST
Don Keyhoe, who was the, uh, director for NICAP, which was a civilian organization, said there were nine witnesses, and the Air Force and NICAP were arguing about the number of witnesses rather than investigating the case.
Kevin RandleGUEST
And when I went back and looked at the Project Blue Book files and, and the files from, from CUFOS, uh, the Center for UFO Studies and some other organizations, I found witnesses at 13 separate locations who had seen the craft on the ground and talked about it stalling their car engines and that sort of thing.
Kevin RandleGUEST
Here's an event where the craft is interacting with the environment.
Preston DennettHOST
Constable John Lockham drew a sketch of this object.
Preston DennettHOST
This did capture the attention of the military, and in fact, the District Commandant of Pretoria, Lieutenant Colonel J.B. Brits, told newspaper reporters that this event was considered, quote, "as being of a highly secret nature and an inquiry is being conducted in top circles." So this did of course capture the attention of UFO organizations such as NICAP, the National Investigative Committee of Aerial Phenomena, and they learned that this road service-- surface was being analyzed by a leading scientific agency in South Africa.
Preston DennettHOST
And they attempted to get copies of the analysis reports but were unable to do so, and the analysis has never been made public.
Preston DennettHOST
Nevertheless, it's a very well-documented UFO landing trace case.
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Preston DennettHOST
And later, the Air Force agreed that this was not ball lightning.
Preston DennettHOST
It was unexplained.
Preston DennettHOST
And in a letter to the National Investigative Committee of Aerial Phenomena, NICAP, Major James H. Eichman said, "The depressions in the ground were compacted solidly.
Preston DennettHOST
For this reading-- For this reason, the sighting is carried as unidentified in Air Force files." So year after year, there are cases like this.
KathrynHOST
So she started typing everything up and began what would turn out to be a lifelong mission to determine what had happened to her and her husband.
KathrynHOST
At the same time, their story was gaining interest, particularly from NICAP, or the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon.
KathrynHOST
Okay.
MegHOST
Okay.
KathrynHOST
So this is important.
KathrynHOST
This is a civilian organization, so it's not connected to the military at all.
KathrynHOST
It's all, you know, people outside of that, doctors, lawyers... journalists a bunch of people but they were like we're going to get to the truth of this so according to the reports similar crafts had been seen in california kentucky and indiana they're making their rounds they are uh also nightcap believed them which was a pretty hard bar because they had to have a lot of evidence a lot of things but they believed them And in October 1961, Boston-based NICAP investigator Walter Webb conducted an interview with the Hills at their home.
KathrynHOST
Walter found them credible because they were consistent and didn't exaggerate.
Christine ScottHOST
No.
Christine ScottHOST
And I didn't know he founded NICAP either.
Michael RyanHOST
That's right.
Michael RyanHOST
That's right.
Michael RyanHOST
...
Michael RyanHOST
UFO story.
Christine ScottHOST
Yep, with NICAP, uh, which he founded with Donald Keyhoe, uh, who's...
Christine ScottHOST
And there's the thing, most of our listeners will remember Keyhoe.
Simon BownHOST
Although it is possible that the crash wasn't even in Arizona, there is some evidence that it was.
Simon BownHOST
Stringfield reported that a letter dated April 8th, 1964 had been sent to the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena, NICAP, the headquarters in Washington, D.C.
Simon BownHOST
According to the letter...
Simon BownHOST
Here at school, Bob Jones University, is an instructor who during the Korean conflict was an adjutant to an Army Air Corps general at one of our proving grounds.
Dean MerchantGUEST
He was also the director of the MUFON organization, which is the leading organization in the co- in the nation, that kind of researches and has meetings and investigates UFO cases.
Dean MerchantGUEST
Pri-pri- prior to that was NICAP, the National...
Martin WillisHOST
NICAP.
Dean MerchantGUEST
NICAP.
Martin WillisHOST
Yes.
Dean MerchantGUEST
Investigations.
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Dean MerchantGUEST
And so it really solidified in- into a very interesting facet of which later Raymond Fowler, who became the chief investigator, who's still with us as well, 92 now, and just put out his 20th, 20th book.
Dean MerchantGUEST
Several of his books are up there that I brought about Exeter.
Zak PaineHOST
Yeah, he's involved with some of this paranormal and flying saucer stuff.
Zak PaineHOST
But he was leading the National Investigations Committee on aerial phenomena.
Zak PaineHOST
It was called NICAP.
Zak PaineHOST
And Kehoe was looking to find a way not to answer these questions, but basically to make the public believe a certain narrative about flying saucers and basically use it as a way to springboard scientific study.
M.F. ThomasHOST
She wrote a letter to the author of one of these UFO books, a retired Marine Corps major named Donald Kehoe.
M.F. ThomasHOST
At the time, he was the head of NICAP, the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon.
M.F. ThomasHOST
Think of them as a sort of civilian equivalent to Project Blue Book, investigating UFO reports open-mindedly, but with a degree of skepticism and scientific rigor.
M.F. ThomasHOST
In her letter, sent less than a week after the incident, Betty mentions that her husband and herself are considering undergoing hypnosis in an attempt to recover their memories.
M.F. ThomasHOST
Then, roughly ten days after the incident, Betty Hill began to have a series of intense, recurring nightmares.
M.F. ThomasHOST
They lasted for five straight nights, and even though they abruptly ended, Betty was fixated on them, wondering if they were connected to their lost memories.
M.F. ThomasHOST
In late October, just over a month after their road trip, the Hills sat for a long interview with Walter Webb, a Boston astronomer and member of NICAP who had read their letter.
M.F. ThomasHOST
This time, the Hills expanded on their story, including many details from Betty's dreams.
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