... yeah, just give me one or two things that, um, that you feel like you learned from your internship.

All right.

Uh, immediately what comes to mind is that as a pastor, you are so much more than a, than a preacher.

You're a shepherd of the church that, that God's entrusted you to be, and this comes from, from watching him and talking, talking with him and also from the book that I talked about earlier.

But in the book it says, "If you're a pastor, and you get down...

You get to the end of your day, and you don't have a little bit of wool on your clothes, then you have to really start questioning rather, whether you're really shepherding the flock that God's given you or not." And so as a pastor, you're granted unique access into the intimate parts of people's life, and I mean, those are, those are honestly, like, sacred times in, in a person's life.

Like, when a child is born or when a loved one has passed away, God's given you access into their life for a reason, and that's something that is really just uniquely given to, to the pastor, and it's something that should be stewarded well.

And, and just what would you say with kinda living out that verse in, in your life, and, and what would, what would you leave as far as a lasting word with, with the college students across the country?

Both sides came from it?

Yeah, so originally Swedish farmers, immigrants, moved to the Midwest, and then some came out to Tulare.

But no, I kind of just I've always had a liking towards it.

And then I went to Fresno State, switched my majors from business to livestock management, dove in, you know, headfirst and got involved as much as I could.

Joined some clubs, dairy, dairy science, young cattlemen's for Fresno State.

which is how I ended up pretty much here.

No,

it's just because they're smart.

How'd you get started in the scene?

I'll break it down really simple.

In seventh grade, I met a really cool kid who played drums, Chris Reitford of Autopsy.

Chris Reitford, yeah.

Yeah, he's my best friend from seventh to ninth grade.

That's how it all fucking started.

I had a paper route.

So at this point, you stopped playing guitar, right?

What was the best supporting evidence to show that Wendy was actually deeply involved in the plot?

So she rents a hotel room.

She purchases a drop phone, meaning a phone that has no subscriber information to it, and then she uses that phone exclusively to talk with, um, Sammy Yenawine.

So there's constant communication with Sammy Yenawine.

Um, she clearly had met with him several times.

The phone tower information we had showed them meeting up in Sullivan's Island.

All of that had been independently corroborated by the feds.

The evidence against Chris Latham and Wendy Moore and Aaron Wilkinson and Sammy Yenawine is all physical evidence.