Because, or is this, you know, Abraham's really just twisted depiction of life that is the force here, the monster here.

Yeah, I was really fascinated by this idea of Abraham because with Joe's take on the story, you start to ask yourself, you know, well, why would somebody create this mythology? Why would somebody put himself into this mythology as the monster hunter? What is this sort of...

anger this fear that seems to be driving him where he sees the world as this place full of threat you know and so titus welliver who played abraham in the film and i talked about this quite a bit and um he really loved the idea of of abraham wanting everything to feel very clean and very simple and very sober it's this almost um uh puritanical sort of dedication to the idea of health and cleanliness and you know that that kind of very very strict um attitude right that comes into the space of like he's almost a little bit um you know it's beyond paranoia right it's like this germaphobic um uh Fear that something is going to cross into his sanctuary and into his safe space and infect him and his family.

And I just thought that was such an interesting and honestly very real way of looking at people who.

um are outwardly aggressive right they they are going out because they want to attack because they do not feel safe you know um and and so that was sort of getting into some really interesting themes i think and was something um i know titus and i really enjoyed talking about that And then if I can just mention as well, Jocelyn Donahue, who plays Mina in the film, she was a really interesting character as well, because we had to ask ourselves, Joe made this decision to have Van Helsing and Mina together in this version.

And so we had to really talk about and piece through, well, what would have brought her to him? Why is she gravitating towards this man? And what is the insanity that she is experiencing, right? To sort of become this acolyte in his, you know, cult.

If we want to think of it as a cult, it's a family.

Or from a trauma point of view, that he's been traumatized that they exist or that in his past dealings with them.

But this is a little more sleek in that way.

It's also, um, I am a huge cyberpunk nerd.

Uh, I'm, I'm exposing myself right now.

Uh, where I just, I love this stuff like Johnny Mnemonic, and Tron, and Lawnmower Man, and all this like really goofy period of time.

Um, and so, uh, Abby and I talked a lot about just sort of like living in that, um, living in that very like imaginative, um, world.

Um, I mean, William Gibson wrote Neuromancer in 1984, um, and sort of kick started the whole thing, and then, you know, you have Snow Crash, and you have this really, um, very niche but very rich, uh, world of the cyberpunk sub-genre, I guess, of science fiction.

[laughs] So a lot of this you'll see is, is, um, really pulled from, from a love for that.

[laughs]

Uh, so this movie, tell us about it.

Yeah, so, um, it is a, uh, gothic fantasy horror film.

Um, and I guess one of the kinda cool things about it is we have Sophie Turner and Kit Harington back together since Game of Thrones, back in a medieval setting.

So the movie is set during the 15th century, and, um, it also stars Marsha Gay Harden.

Uh, so it's sort of Sophie and Marsha playing these two women who are living in this sort of, like, very brutal, desolate landscape.

And, um, Kit Harington's character comes back and gives them some bad news, and everything sort of spirals from there.

Um, but yeah, it's a fun, it's a fun, little indie horror.

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