Yeah

... you know, my OB was like, "I've got to send you to a fertility specialist.

Like, maybe IVF is your next route." And I'm, you know, I was like, "I just, that feels like a lot right now.

I just, you know, I, I wanna figure out what's wrong with me." And we ran all these tests and everything just kept coming back normal.

And Nick went through all these tests and he came back above average and perfect, of course.

[laughs] And it was like, well then what is wrong? There has to be something.

And finally they decided to test for something that they just don't really test for anymore.

Mm-hmm.

But is there anything that's come up between, since your two years of being parents that you guys have found surprising about reflecting on how you guys were raised or your relationship changing?

I definitely think now that River's two, and she eats what we eat and all that kinda stuff, it makes you think back of, I have so many vivid memories of not being able to leave the d- the kitchen table until I finished my peas or finished whatever it was, and I remember sitting, sobbing and just being like, "Please, I don't wanna eat these." And my dad just saying, "Sorry, you got to.

We're not...

And we're gonna go watch a movie.

Let me know when you're done." And I just remember just sitting for like hours crying and crying and crying.

And so I think with entering that stage with River, it just, it's never that serious, and I've just always found that if she's hungry, she's gonna eat, and if she's not hungry, she's not gonna eat, and she'll wake up the next morning and eat a big breakfast and everything will be okay.

Just to not take it all so seriously, 'cause I think that added [laughs] so much trauma to my life, and I want to be so far from that.

And how was it for you, Natalie, to like, be that vulnerable?

Wait, I wanna hear about this.

So a few weeks ago, me, River, and Genevieve, you know her, you love her, Bachelor Nation, Genevieve.

She's on- Pretty ...

the next season.

Yes.

She's a dear, dear friend of mine, and she helps with River.

And so [laughs] she was over at the house, and we were just sitting on the couch talking and playing with River, and I look up and I see a lizard- [gasps] ...

Ugh.