Nancy Wake

I just wouldn't have written it myself.

But like about, I want to say Nancy Wake, but it's codenamed Helene.

And she was very penned in by the writers.

happened to her throughout the war and i was just like man i would never choose this path because you don't get to actually tell this your own story like you get to tell your the story of her but you don't actually get to like what i like about telling stories is like having hand in the plot um but i will say my other hesitation is the interiority of books.

You mentioned others.

We've got Nancy Wake, the White Mouse.

Another woman the Gestapo desperately wanted to capture.

She helped Allied servicemen escape occupied territory.

These were used by women.

Like Nancy Wake would have used one of these, wouldn't she?

Nancy Wake absolutely used one, and there's a story about Nancy Wake.

Apparently her group, uh, lost access to their radio, and I forget the exact circumstances, and she had to go pedaling, uh, a very long distance to go and retrieve a replacement unit.

Mm.

But just for clarification's sake, in the film October Sky, he's a big fan of Wernher von Braun, and at the end, he makes a rocket, and he inadvertently meets Wernher von Braun, and somebody else just says, hey, that was Wernher von Braun, and he goes, bleh.

Who said it? Nancy Wake.

That's right.

A woman.

One of them is World War II Women Spies, and the other one is Women Spies of World War II.

yeah started a new series and because marie madeline obviously marie madeline's story is so big i couldn't yes have her combined with other women so i wrote marie madeline and then nancy wake and then virginia hall will be the third in that series

OK, yeah.

And like you said, Marie's world is so big.

Well, especially women in history, I think we're so overlooked.

And so I think that is, it's always good to get their perspective of like all these big historical events because they were there for all of them and involved in all of them is there anything else you want to tell the readers about your upcoming books

yeah by the time this airs hopefully virginia hall will be out so she's the third in the series she's a american and i haven't actually written about an american woman in a couple years because i was most of them are french or british Or Australian, like Nancy Wake.

So she was an American, and she wanted to be a diplomat.

You know, so-

Yes, and Nancy Wake-

All these people

... who was constantly parachuted.

Um, there's another one.

I think Nancy Wake is a fascinating one because it's so international.

Nancy Wake was a spy who was from New Zealand, um, but went to Austria, went, you know, to France.

She was all over the world working as a, as a spy, um, during World War II, part of the French Resistance.

They called her the White Mouse and so forth.

So we talk about...

And, and Nancy Wake was an example I said as someone, she would, she would pretend that she was out doing the daily shopping, but what she was really doing was gathering and disseminating intelligence amongst the Re- Resistance.

But she'd go out on her bicycle and get her baguette and, you know, say, "Oh, no, I am just doing the shopping," um, and sort of playing on the sort of stereotypes.