Nancy Stark Smith

Mm-hmm.

And you were telling me something fascinating, because I have this deep love of the Beatniks and their poetry and their ethos and, and, um, and a, a deep love of this place called Naropa Institute, which you surprised me by saying that your, your sister actually was one of the-- was there at the beginning with Ginsburg and helped, uh, kick off that whole thing in the early days with, with the, uh, the delightful characters that coalesced around it.

Yeah.

When I was a little kid, my sister Nancy, Nancy Stark Smith, who, uh, invented a form of motion contemplation, a dance form, an art form involving physical motion called contact improvisations.

And she founded it with a guy named Steve Paxton.

And when I was a little kid in the early '70s, she went off to Boulder [lip smack] and met, um, Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche and started a program out there in Colorado, which became a pretty important part of that university.

We're, we're good.

Yeah.