Nagoya Protocol
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Sep 17, 2026
Ravi PrasadGUEST
Then we ensure fair price to the farmer.
Ravi PrasadGUEST
There's another criteria which I strongly believe in actually, is something called being signatory to the Nagoya Protocol, where the farmer has to keep a portion of the seeds after every harvest of the plant in a seed bank.
Ravi PrasadGUEST
So the plant never gets extinct.
Ravi PrasadGUEST
Of the six odd thousand medicinal plants that exist in the Himalayas, probably over 2000 are extinct.
Dennis WalkerHOST
Iboga from the stewards of this culture over in Gabon and from the Bwidi and would love to hear a little bit about your experience having come from this drug policy background and operating in Tijuana and in Mexican clinics and then all of a sudden going over to meet the the Bwidi and Gabon and learn more about it.
Dennis WalkerHOST
Can you tell us a little bit about some of your experiences over there, which ultimately I think also has led to Ambio Life Sciences offering the first Nagoya protocol compliant Iboga product, which we can talk about as well.
Jonathan DickinsonGUEST
Sure.
Jonathan DickinsonGUEST
Yeah.
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Dennis WalkerHOST
So do a lot of white collar professionals.
Dennis WalkerHOST
So I just wanted to mention that while I have the attention of the audience at the moment.
Dennis WalkerHOST
And one other thing I'd really love to jump into is the Nagoya protocol compliance, because, uh, Ibogaine and Iboga are already new enough for the general populace and people are just hearing about this.
Dennis WalkerHOST
People maybe have, in a lot of cases, no familiarity with psychedelics or international indigenous culture.
Sean McAllisterGUEST
So that's a built-in colonialism problem.
Sean McAllisterGUEST
And I certainly support concepts like the Nagoya Protocol that say if you're going to use indigenous technology, you have to give back, you have to have benefit sharing.
Sean McAllisterGUEST
But to your real question about is there some endangerment from the executive order that we're going to deplete Ibogaine, Or ayahuasca in South America, ibogaine in Gabon.
Sean McAllisterGUEST
I think there's a lot of uncertainty about this topic.
Sean McAllisterGUEST
And I think, you know, the question is, can we do it the right way? Colorado, for example, has started a we decriminalized Iboga, but that doesn't make it legal to import into the United States.
Sean McAllisterGUEST
And now we're talking about adding it to the regulated program.
Sean McAllisterGUEST
But our advisory board said, we'll only do that if we can bring Iboga here in compliance with the Nagoya protocol.
Sean McAllisterGUEST
And that's probably going to require a negotiation with the federal government.
Dennis McKennaHOST
Were you part of that founding or had he already created that by the time you were in Gabon?
Jonathan DickinsonGUEST
no i watched jan go through the process of founding that and tried to support in whatever way that i could when i became more involved i guess was at a certain point blessings of the forest was granted a mandate by the national parks association to implement the Nagoya Protocol, which was an international treaty that Gabon has tried to use to structure how you could have ethical contracts with traditional communities related to access to iboga, but also traditional knowledge about how iboga can be used.
Jonathan DickinsonGUEST
And so blessings of the forest was originally contracted to try to implement this, this treaty in Gabon.
Jonathan DickinsonGUEST
And, uh, I think quite successfully because it's, it's grown and grown in Gabon has done quite a lot of, I would say quite difficult work.
Dennis McKennaHOST
But there's still a lot of illegal export and poaching and all that.
Dennis McKennaHOST
And then you, about this same time, you were very concerned to help with this, and you founded Terranosis, which is another NGO.
Dennis McKennaHOST
And the mission of Terranosis, as I understand it from the book, was basically to... facilitate ability to export iboga root under the Nagoya protocols that's compliant with Nagoya protocols.
Dennis McKennaHOST
So you've always approached this very ethically, which speaks well of you, recognizing that this is an important traditional medicine.
Rubina MargossianHOST
Also, his column will be bilingual Armenian.
Rubina MargossianHOST
And he's kind of looking into international law from his own very interesting perspective.
Rubina MargossianHOST
But other than that, we also published the translation of one of his articles about the Nagoya Protocols.
Rubina MargossianHOST
And this is coming up to COP 17.
Rubina MargossianHOST
And, you know, Armenia is a secretary.
Roubina MargossianHOST
Also, his column will be bilingual Armenian.
Roubina MargossianHOST
And he's kind of looking into international law from his own very interesting perspective.
Roubina MargossianHOST
But other than that, we also published the translation of one of his articles about the Nagoya Protocols.
Roubina MargossianHOST
And this is coming up to COP 17.
Roubina MargossianHOST
And, you know, Armenia is a secretary.
Glauber Loures de AssisGUEST
I think they are very important.
Glauber Loures de AssisGUEST
and is this going to affect a specific indigenous nation a specific community are we going to take seriously the idea of for example indigenous genocide in the amazon rainforest so if you are just extracting dmt from ayahuasca to offer in a psychedelic assisted therapy we are not aware that this might affect uh the the populations in the amazon rainforest itself uh the other thing uh it's co-production of knowledge so if we already have so many uh synthetic uh possibilities why would people need to bring all these biocultures also to this field without prior informed consent without benefit sharing without and this is an america case without nagoya protocol playing any kind of of roles so these are my concerns and if we are of course uh and this there is a friend of mine then is that uh he developed this concept of molecular colonialism i think this is very provocative but on the other hand uh it's not simply being against it it's just like how are people doing it so i would say and i will uh pass it on to you that more important than the what so we are we are getting some specific molecules and we are working with them to produce a different uh a different medication or a different tool that might support people this is the classic what question what we are doing we are doing this and then if we we ask you if you ask me if I like it or not if I'm in favor or not I would say I I can't tell beforehand.
Glauber Loures de AssisGUEST
I can only tell when I also know the how.
Glauber Loures de AssisGUEST
The how question, I think it's more important.
Glauber Loures de AssisGUEST
How are people doing it? So what kind of people are coming together? What kind of relationship they're developing? What kind of platform? What kind of model to offer to who? To serve who? To escalate in which way? And also to what kind of access they're also bringing to minorities and vulnerable populations.
Glauber Loures de AssisGUEST
You know what I mean?
Dennis WalkerHOST
Let's talk about the Nagoya Protocol.
Dennis WalkerHOST
I think a lot of people still don't know what that is.
Marcelo BeharGUEST
So this is evolving a lot.
Marcelo BeharGUEST
The global policies, I would say the Nagoya Protocol, it's a protocol that was built in 2014 and it stands for how we can connect with traditional communities and it has been a challenge to move this forward.
Marcelo BeharGUEST
I think this year we'll have some elements that will help this to move into a better position.
Marcelo BeharGUEST
One of these is on the biodiversity co-op meeting in October, the deployment of the Cali Fund, which is a fund diverted to those communities, will be enhanced and probably started.
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