Mythopoeia

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Mythopoeia.

I don't...

Or mythopoeia.

And just the way they discussed that and argued over it, over what was presumably like, it had to have been like a decade or so, wasn't it? Like, this is a very slow conversion by inches process.

Like, we like to imagine, oh, they went out for a walk one day and they had this one talk, Tolkien wrote Mythopoeia, and that was it.

But with Lewis, it's like, no, I spent years fighting this, like actively fighting it.

before in his own words I fell to my knees the most reluctant convert in all of England like it's just but to come through it through the idea of literal pagan myth like that's just that's just the beauty of like Tolkien like he could see these things be like no there are glimmers of God here you just have to look for them