Moven

But the Ivy League schools, while they obviously have good name recognition, their power is network, the network you build at these Ivy League schools.

I have a co-founder for Moven that went to Georgetown, and his network was phenomenal as a result.

So I saw that firsthand.

That's Alex Sion.

So that's the first app anywhere.

And we created the first app anywhere in the world where you could order a debit card in an app.

And a lot of the design principles we used for Moven are still in use today by some of the leading neobanks.

Problem was it was 2010 and it was way too early for investors and so forth to get behind Moven.