... that you were kind of single-mindedly focused on victory rather than on governing.

Yeah, the time in opposition went quickly, and you're right.

When Keir became leader in 2020, one of the hardest things to do was to persuade people that we could win.

Uh, and the, and the narrative and the analysis was that it would take us a very, very long time.

It would take at least two terms, and that Labour couldn't win the next election, which made it difficult to raise money.

It made it difficult to recruit staff.

It made it difficult to get people to be focused on the voters that we needed to win an election.

He's not wrong in that, is he?