Monty Cox

At the time.

And Monty Cox will tell you a great story of Jason Nicholson tiptoeing across the scale at the weigh-ins because Jason wasn't under 200 pounds.

But that fight was, oh my God, I forgot it was at that event.

And Ray Cooper, man, that's a bad dude that happened to be stuck on a little island in Hawaii that didn't really care about fame or growing his brand or anything like that.

It was clear to me that he knew a lot more about the sport and even promoting than I did because he had done some amateur shows under the UFC up in Seattle.

He was a very nice guy, and he took me under his wing, fortunately.

So I used him and Monty Cox a lot early on that knew way more about promoting than I did, and knew way more, and Matt knew more about the sport than anyone in the world to this day, probably.

And I was at least smart enough to listen to them.