Mondi plc

And in those days, Anglo was a big conglomerate.

So I went across and there was Mondi and different sites, Namaqua Sands.

For me as an engineer, the most rewarding was having been involved in those mega, I mean, I was very lucky.

I've worked in mega capital projects.

We just price to be rich and not understanding the value chain.

If you are to supply paper to a particular entity and that paper, Sapi or Mondi sells it for $3.50, there's no need for you to sell that paper for 700 rent.

There's no value add on your site except delivering it to the user and so forth.

So you find people going for 50%, 100% profit margin for something that they are not adding any value.