Mo Gawdat

Totally agree.

There's Geoffrey Hinton, Mo Gawdat.

There's a whole range of people really being transparent.

Can you just say those names again? Jeremy Hinton.

Geoffrey Hinton.

He's the other godfather.

Um, and Mo Gawdat, he's the-- he was the founder of Google's AI research center.

And I think-

That's the reason I love being on them as well.

I was listening to Diary of a CEO with Mo Gawdat, who used to be the head of Google X.

And I think he's got a documentary that's coming out soon.

But he was just talking about, can you build with humanity in mind? And so this is where it's I'm a capitalist, like, let's be clear.

So what I was saying, because I'm reading this book now.

It's an amazing book, Solve for Happy by Mo Goddard.

This guy was chief business, I think, manager for Google X.

So his thing, he said that happiness, this is happiness is greater than and equal to reality, your reality minus the expectations.

This time, we're going back to 2019, when our pre-COVID selves were chugging along.

I had met Justin the previous year, which is such a strange thought, and it was also when I very first met another important man in my life, Mo Gawdat.

I wanted to re-release this episode because it's really an episode that made How to Fail what it is today, and it's still so relevant and applicable.

Mo is the former chief business officer at Google X, but for a long time, his life, despite having professional and material success, wasn't happy.

How can one individual be happy? Normal service resumes next week as I'll be back with a brand-new episode with writer David Sedaris.

For now, though, let's get back into it.

This is from April 2019 with the wonderful Mo Gawdat.

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