Mm

... coaching daughter's soccer, like I take it really seriously and give 100%, and I'm pretty articulate and a bit of OCD in terms of wanting things to be at a really good level.

Married to my beautiful wife, Sahar, father of two, Maya and Isaac.

And I suppose I'm a, um, someone that's pretty driven by, you know, events that happened to me years ago in, in terms of what I do now with my advocacy work in mental health.

But, um, but also, um, love life, love, en- enjoy spending time with family and my mates, and I'm big, pretty big on banter, pretty big on having fun in life and spending time with people and...

But also establishing relationships.

I'm pretty sure those that know me as well will know that, um, if I work with you or do something alongside you, it's more than just the, the work or the, um, the activity that you're doing.

Yeah

And what did she say when you said that?

She's like, huh? What? I was like, Jesus just told me I was going to be sick.

And we didn't think anything about it.

So a couple of weeks goes by, and we usually plan our vacation at a certain time every year.

We have a house that we rent down on the beach.

I take a lot of hunting and fishing trips.

Well, that particular year, we decided we're going to stay home.

you've got to be kidding me.

How did that grief, that wave of grief, wash over into and to become a new purpose?

Yeah, it's a good question.

Sometimes I think about it a little bit now.

You know, I get asked to speak on resilience and leadership and all those types of things as well.

And it sort of makes you think about what made you make those decisions in life and And I sometimes think in grief now as well and trauma, which, you know, suicide is very traumatic for, you know, not only what you see but what you feel and what it does to individuals and families and people around you.

And I suppose I look back now and I certainly had a choice and everyone does when you go through something really traumatic and I look back now and think that, I could have absolutely gone either way.

I'm really proud of what we've built now and the decision to go forth and raise awareness to something I knew very little about, but it could have very much been the other way.

It could be the difference.