Nobody else was really doing

this.

No, I mean, people were doing it, but I was a weird kid.

Like it's pretty odd.

20 year old kids.

Yeah.

I mean, truth be told, I was also competing in strong man and I'm a smaller framed guy when you think about a strong man.

And then he started thinking of all the side effects of having these microplastics and just lethargy, feeling weak, feeling depressed, all these different factors that are probably, you know, pushing you to use other things when it's like you might just build with these fucking plastics in your body.

But why is it that we don't have a lot of evidence? Is it just...

so a lot of it comes down to the patentability of the drugs so even look at the patented glp-1 drugs the different brands it's lily's version versus pfizer's version or whatever and they are battling with compounding pharmacies because they are organic molecules that could be tweaked so the patentability can be an issue with a lot of these substances just like with testosterone Those are some of the issues.

The other weird thing is like anabolic steroids or testosterone, historically, based on research, the end conclusion is these do not have a performance enhancing benefit.

That's the conclusion from the research, which is absurd.

We know it has a performance enhancing benefit.

Is that right? They say that? about testosterone that's the conclusion it has it does not have a direct performance that's hilarious effect research is starting to change nowadays but that was kind of the historical baseline the unique thing with peptides is like they are powerful but sometimes peptides on paper they look like magic and in practice they're kind of underwhelming yeah so it's kind of the opposite effect yeah which is, it's interesting.

So I think you can't discount anecdotes, but I think you also have to look at the research.

So yeah, it

Mm-hmm.

But it was basically in the bottom basement of an office warehouse, and you have to know somebody to, to get in.

Well, I started referring a lot of my personal training clients.

A lot of them were, uh, you know, men in their 40s that were at a high level in their career.

They played college football.

They haven't really trained since, but they were very motivated and driven.

They're signing up for personal training, and I realized the impact of diagnostic or hor- uh, evaluation and what their hormone status could look like.

Then the ne- the next step is to realize that somebody died for all our sins.