Mm.

That, I mean, no mere hu- that's not mere human, you know, guess.

It's not a random...

Okay.

So, [laughs] so you can strongly suspect, you know, from na- That's a natural reasoning argument I just gave you.

You know, like, there, you can strongly suspect there's something divine perhaps or preternatural, maybe even supernatural going on here, but you can't know it with the certitude that believers know it.

And we know it with certitude because God's revealed it.

Yeah.