Mike Molinar

And I remember you had the same reputation then, which is so funny.

Like Mike was like, you need to meet Beth.

And I was like, sure.

Like I was with BMI, but you were like someone, again, everyone was like funneling, I think all of us to you at that point.

but like different issues,

different stresses, different things, you know? You know,

our friend Mike Molinar, our mutual homie, my publisher, something he talks about with his company, which he started with the same like reverence.

He started with the same awareness, the same groundedness.