Mike McCurry

Maybe she can put that into her CV, her resume.

But interesting because, you know, you've known some White House spokespeople, including Mike McCurry, back in the Clinton days.

It's a hard job, as you've mentioned, but the vetting for it is very, very important.

And the training for it is very, very important.

You've got to be quick on your feet.

And that's just so difficult to do.

And you mentioned Mike McCurry.

Mike McCurry was just one of the – One of the best at it.

It's become fundamentally far, far harder now, uh, than it ever was.

But if we are to look, uh, to the modern era, then certainly, uh, I have to say that if you look at the people who guided, uh, th- Bill Cl- the Clinton administration through, uh, impeachment, through Monica Lewinsky, when you're talking about people like Mike McCurry, uh, who was there when the news broke, when you're talking about people like Joe Lockhart, who was part of that team but also part of the team who was also lead press secretary during the impeachment trial, then you're looking at real professionals, uh, people who did the job very, very well and also people who did the job, I think at least, uh, with not just the cognizance that they had to serve their boss, that is the President of the United States, but that they also had an obligation to, uh, the American people.

Uh, and of course, those two roles are very, very difficult to serve simultaneously, but I think they at least gave a nod, uh, in that direction, whereas I think in more recent times, uh, the distinction has been blurred, and I think largely that's because the media landscape has changed utterly.

And the president has changed utterly, too.

Uh, so of course, he had a very hard job to do.

But the people who really come to mind for me, uh, Shane, are, are Mike McCurry, uh, and Joe Lockhart, who were the press secretaries during, uh, the Monica Lewinsky scandal in the Clinton administration, uh, and then s- the subsequent impeachment trial.

Um, they handled the job.

I mean, they were serious professional, uh, people.

And until that's done, don't brief.

Mike McCurry, when he became the, um, State Department spokesman, he didn't brief for months until he was ready to learn foreign policy at the State Department prior to him becoming White House press secretary.

Now, I didn't take any foreign policy questions for the first couple months when I was press secretary.

I had my deputy, who was in charge of the National Security Council press, take those questions because I wasn't ready and I wasn't gonna make an error.

And until that's done, don't brief.

Mike McCurry, when he became the, um, State Department spokesman, he didn't brief for months until he was ready to learn foreign policy at the State Department prior to him becoming White House press secretary.

And I didn't take any foreign policy questions for the first couple months when I was press secretary.

I had my deputy, who was in charge of the National Security Council, press take those questions, because I wasn't ready and I wasn't gonna make an error.