Mike Lawler

They're definitely the most passionate.

Yeah, like the mare that I got to ride for Michael Lawler last week.

Michael is breeding a long, long time.

And his brother Vincent, they were very good to me as a kid.

There's so many cases in ufology that we could have written about.

But I was always a big follower of Travis in addition to Calvin.

And that was one of the earliest songs that Jerry and I started working on.

And basically, it was based around Travis's experience from the movie Fire in the Sky.