Mike Kamo

Right? And, dude, so I still, like despite you not having a title, you drive things like a CEO.

And I think Mike Kamo, who's your co-founder, you both are the drivers, right? And I think it's so important to have...

It's so helpful to have a co-founder there because when you only have one driver-

Uh-huh

Or let's go back to driving.

The reason I don't consider myself a driver is...

And even Mike Kamo, my co-founder, we genuinely don't run the business.

Mm-hmm.