Mike Godwin

And so everyone becomes a cynic, you know, and there's no way out, but they can still exploit people on the outside who continue to hold naive beliefs about what's really going on.

I reread, you did an interview with Mike Godwin for Reason in 2005 about, this was around the time that Kryptonomicon, am I pronouncing that correctly?

Kryptonomicon.

Kryptonomicon.

What's up, guys? Guy here.

Coming up on the show today, a conversation I just had with Malik Mustapha.

I'm going to play it for you.

and Brock have great chemistry.

Yeah, I mean, he's 6'5 with 35-inch arms and great hands.

Him and a lot of guys would have great chemistry.

Him and Baker Mayfield had great chemistry.

Um, but you also have to be in the right place at the right time.