Tell me a little bit about those experiences.

[clears throat] Well, I'll, I'll tell you my wife is the same 'cause we have lived in 15 different houses over 30-plus years.

We've moved around a lot.

Um, I think being able to go to Asia in your mid-20s and g- and be given more responsibility than you probably due is an incredible opportunity.

Just think about that.

Go halfway around the world and lead this business? Who gets that opportunity? And so I, I think early on I was always, I was willing to do whatever it took to get a new experience.

My wife was a lawyer.

That's extraordinary for them and for you.