Mike Bickle

Speaking as somebody who was a Christian and a lot of my bad experiences as a believer were out of my own ignorance of what false teaching even was or how to recognize it.

That's why when I read stuff about what was happening at Mike Bickle, and I point to him a lot because I was so inspired by what they were doing there.

These are doctrines that may not send you to hell, but they're going to significantly distort the Christian faith or Christian practice.

Now, they might not always amount to denying the gospel.

They were all in the rooms with each other together.

And I remember in some of the research I was doing, came across someone who had been working with Mike Bickle at IHOPKC.

And when they had started IHOPKC, they were like, "Everyone has to...

Um, you know, we need to pay people, like, to come and be staff with us." And then when Mike Bickle talked to Loren Cunningham about how YWAM does their situation, you know, everybody raises their own money.

YWAM doesn't pay anybody, and that's how they have so many people coming, is because they don't have to pay anybody.

Everybody just raises their own money, and that's when Mike Bickle was like, "Ah, fabulous." Like, "We're gonna do that." And that's when they, they changed the process.

So it's just, it's really interesting to see how they all, yeah, are, are connected.

Then what you said about the difference in the shepherding movement being that what a spiritual, you know, leader said carried that spiritual authority, that spiritual weight, versus just some sort of general advice or general wisdom that you might receive in a more healthy sort of organizational setting, um, that is absolutely something that is very foundational to YWAM.

And they think that they will not be accountable for their actions, and they think that they can clothe it in their own righteousness, their own perversion, and pass it off as prophetic.

Just like Mike Bickle and all these others, some of the leaders at Bethel, Sean Bowles.

They're no different.

Cut from the same cloth.

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You people laughing, I want you to consider if you see this, what if that was your daughter, your sister, your niece, your best friend that was saying, "This man did these things to me," and he wants to stand up there and laugh about it? Because no one will hold him accountable because he's the anointed man of God.

Is that how anointed men of God act? If you're gonna be upset about Mike Bickle, and you're gonna be upset about Ben Armstrong, and you're gonna be upset about Sean Bowles, and Chris Reed, and Todd Bentley, and who else can we name off? We can keep going.

You wanna be upset with them, but not him? I'm telling you, this is...

Mike Bickford.

Mike Bickle.

Mike Bickle.

Who else? Oh, the guy up in Northern California.

Rick Joyner, Morning Star Ministries.

Some very big names have been exposed to be, um, either frauds or sexual- sexually immoral, sexual deviants, or all of the above.

So I'm thinking about names like, you know, Mike Bickle and Sean Bowles and others that have been exposed, uh, to varying degrees.

So with so much exposure, why do you think this project is, is necessary? Well, actually, first tell us this latest project is titled Spirit and Fire, and so its-

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... decent people who have actually been whistleblowers with this Mike Bickle stuff.

Okay.

So I think I may have gotten a better experience than some people did.

Yeah, hey, thanks so much for having me on.

I started listening to you right after everything happened with Mike Bickle.

So it's been quite a ride.

I really enjoyed the podcast.

And one of them is in Estes Park, Colorado.

It's called Ravencrest.

And Ravencrest has a couple infamous alumni, Bob Scott and Mike Bickle.

So Those two guys actually went to the same type of organization that I went to after high school, even though they went to it a long time before.

It's a gospel where you're loving one another and Jesus will come because we're good people, not because we're coming out to conquer.

So when you have all these components that end up into an actual army of conquerors, as Mike Bickle, some of the former IHOP KC people put it, Mike Bickle was saying things like there will be actual bloodshed and it's going to be, They were talking like he was going to enjoy the bloodshed.

When you get to that level of mindset, how can you pair that with Jesus saying, love your neighbor as yourself?

And what you just said there before, you're saying, why would you want the extra bits kind of thing? I heard, I think you were talking with Brantley on one podcast where you came to that saying of chew the meat and spit out the bones.

Take what's good.

You know, just ignore the stuff that doesn't quite fit because there's good stuff in there.

Or I've heard people talk about Mike Bickle or people from IHOPKC saying, you know, it's the hamburger helper.

It just enhances it.

And they, it's embedded in the preaching and in these movements and in the books, like, just this, you know, it's an intensity.

It's, I mean, cause I remember, and I just want to speak to, I think Mike Bickle is probably one of the worst.

And that's why, you know, when I mentioned this work situation, because that boss is very similar to a Mike Bickle.

I think a lot of times when we leave these movements, we get very conditioned to like, We look at a Benny Hinn and we're like, oh, well, he's ostentatious and flamboyant.

You know, you give your money, look at these expensive cars he drives.

But a lot of these leaders, like a Mike Bickle, are very manipulative and deceptive in that term, like vulnerable narcissist or covert narcissist, where they have a lot of doublespeak.

they present as humble, and they'll say stuff like, you know, because Mike Bickle used to say that, like, oh, you're not special.

He didn't say like, oh, you're not special, but it was just kind of like, oh, God wants us to live an ordinary life.