Mickey Boardman

But so it was our 30th anniversary, and I had these two Like, great young people that I adored who worked for me.

One is named Drew Elliott, and one is named Mickey Boardman.

And so I was starting to delegate to them, 'cause I could see...

I was trying to like, how can I get rid o- how can I get out of this Paper? I need to like move on, you know? And Dr- they- Drew was so genius, and creative, and amazing, but he also loved commerciality.

And I landed in Kyiv.

I was there with Mickey Boardman from Paper Magazine.

And we were blown away by the talent.

We saw great fashion.