When, when did that actually start? 'Cause I think from your book it starts well before the Second World War, doesn't it? That they start, we start to lose systems.

Yeah, I mean, there was, there was a little bit of consolidation after the First World War.

Um, but the, the network of trams continued to grow until about 1928, something like that.

It, it wasn't sort of in...

I mean, it was an industry that had, was consolidating rather than in retreat.

There was a little bit of growth, not a lot.

I mean, it was small beer really.

Who was this now?