Michigan State University College of Human Medicine

And that is what we are going to dive into with my guest, Dr. Howard Schubiner.

He is an internist and a clinical professor at the Michigan State University College of Human Medicine.

He has been published in JAMA Psychiatry and has a new book out called Unlearn Your Pain.

He is a repeat podcast guest, and his episode was 91, and this conversation is taking that and going further.

She actually served as two terms plus, she got nine years in office.

She is now assistant dean over, I guess, what would you say, public affairs at the Michigan State University College of Human Medicine?

Yeah, external relations.

External relations.

Sure.

I am also a graduate of Michigan State University College of Human Medicine, where we met.

I finished my aesthetic surgery fellowship in New York, where I started my practice, returned to Michigan, oh gosh, now 13 years ago.

And I have a boutique pra- plastic surgery practice also in town.

And that can make all the difference in the world.

Schubiner is a clinical professor at the Michigan State University College of Human Medicine.

He dives into neuroplastic pain in his new book, Unlearn Your Pain, The Science of Recovering from Chronic Pain, Fatigue, Anxiety, and Depression.

When the actual pain reprocessing therapy begins, patients are asked to do something that many of them have spent years avoiding, paying attention to the hurt.

And that can make all the difference in the world.

Schubiner is a clinical professor at the Michigan State University College of Human Medicine.

He dives into neuroplastic pain in his new book, Unlearn Your Pain, The Science of Recovering from Chronic Pain, Fatigue, Anxiety, and Depression.

When the actual pain reprocessing therapy begins, patients are asked to do something that many of them have spent years avoiding, paying attention to the hurt.

But what actually causes pain? What if pain isn't always a direct reflection of physical damage? What if, in some cases, pain is something our brains have learned and can consequently learn to unlearn? That's the fascinating idea we're exploring with today's guest, Dr.

Howard Schubiner, a doctor and clinical professor at Michigan State University's College of Human Medicine, who has spent decades studying the connection between the brain, the body, and our experiences of pain, anxiety, and depression.

Dr. Howard believes that while all pain is 100% completely real, it is created by the brain.

His work focuses on this.

Long after the injury and what's happened most of the time is that the brain has learned those symptoms and they get stuck in a loop in the brain on autopilot.

That's Dr. Howard Schubiner, clinical professor at the Michigan State University College of Human Medicine.

The pain loops that our brains create are causing neuroplastic pain.

This is pain that's not being caused by any structural damage to our body.

Long after the injury and what's happened most of the time is that the brain has learned those symptoms and they get stuck in a loop in the brain on autopilot.

That's Dr. Howard Schubiner, clinical professor at the Michigan State University College of Human Medicine.

The pain loops that our brains create are causing neuroplastic pain.

This is pain that's not being caused by any structural damage to our body.

And so that's been a long-term vision of, like, how do we invest if you – If you've been to downtown Grand Rapids, you know there's sort of a concentration around what we call Medical Mile.

And so we've invested a lot with MSU's College of Human Medicine and others to create that concentration.

What would you like to see from the hospitals and health systems in the community?

You know, that's a big question.