So is the alternative something like a, a personal injuries board for divorce? What's the way to, to reduce the cost?

Okay.

So there are a number of ways that we could immediately...

Uh, the government now have, have millions ready to spend on buildings for, for, for new courthouses.

We have, um, reports recently in the media about the increase in high-value divorces.

It's becoming elitist, but the ordinary people who are dealing with borrowing from the bank of mom and dad, or having spent their, their inheritance on, on dealing with this and getting nowhere, are suffering.

So what can we do for, to help those parties? So the government can do an awful lot.

Now, is there much appetite in the system for that kind of change? 'Cause any time that that has been proposed in other areas, what you tend to see is those who earn their livings from the system get very resistant.

I'm curious if you could say more to that because that is really fascinating and just coming back to that body is so much wisdom and why it's telling us to eat certain foods.

Absolutely.

You know, when you think of the taste of sweet, I used to be in that mindset as well of like sweet foods are bad, right? Like if I could just stop eating sweet foods, that would be the antidote to all of my problems, right? But from an Ayurvedic perspective, for instance, sweet foods are considered nourishing and grounding foods.

And actually, I remember as I was studying traditional medicine, I read this article once on this whole concept that we're talking about of how sweet foods aren't just the idea of it tastes good, but there's actually, even on a spiritual level, a quality of things that are sweet, right? We talk about experiences in life that are sweet or someone has a sweet disposition, right? So we connect sweet with a good thing in traditional medicine.

And I would say that sometimes when we think again of sweet in our modern way of thinking, we might be thinking of, you know, candy or chocolate or pastries or, you know, again, those kind of foods we sometimes put in that bad category.

But in traditional medicine, you know, sweet foods were grains.

The meats could be sweet as well as a little bit of umami flavor as well that we didn't really have a concept of until more recent times.

And I'm curious if you could maybe see more about that of like, with the five tastes that you're naming, do we need a balance of them at every meal? Is it kind of tracking, oh, what do I need right now based off of the energetics that this taste will do for me?

Is there some other camp you're supposed to be at?

But then, you know, getting to play it was so fun.

Like you said, like it just really the experience of playing it is like an overwhelming bodily experience.

And that resonance is like a really powerful thing.

And it was so cool, you know, back then to see people bringing their Alporn to our warm ups and like other classes.

But it wasn't really an organized part of the curriculum at all.

It was definitely the biggest charm factor of the camp for me that first year I was there.

How you enjoy music in Chicago as well.

And what about that notion that there should be equally shared time between both in terms of access and in terms of custody for both parents?

OK, so practically a 50-50 across the board, you know, you could understand the merit in it and I can understand the frustration from people who say, well, the mum thinks she's control or he thinks he's control and, you know, this would be a fairer way.

But the practicalities are that if parents are living apart and there is an hour distance, for example...

And the child then is being driven from A to B and can't, you know, form the friendships in one school because he's been taken from one to the other or, you know, spending an awful lot of time.

That isn't in the best interest of that child.

You know, we need guidelines produced from the courts to say what is best interest.

If we are making decisions through our delayed court system, which are ultimately designed to be in the best interest of the child, why can we not produce guidelines and insist that prior to any parent entering into a courtroom situation, that they have read these guidelines, that they have attended mediation.

So here's a recommendation.

It would be amazing to just hear you say a little bit about the history of shows like To Catch a Predator and, um, and 60 Days In because there's, there's a longer tale over here.

Yeah.

So I think it's gone through various iterations and various names that have been attached to it, most of which were not my terms, uh, as these things go.

But, uh, I've done a lot of work initially around, uh, punishment and culture, which I think is where primarily my work's been anchored.

So, um, I became pretty active in a sub-area that came to be known as visual criminology, which really is dedicated to looking at kind of the, the power and ascendancy of crime and punishment as spectacle.

Uh, so really trying to look at how power is configured through crime and punishment, um, and, uh, kind of the, the proliferation of those forms.

So the, you know, the rapidness within which we all exist in this mediascape and, and how so much of it is anchored, as we've talked about today, in something like true crime or the, the cop, the court in the cage.

It should be offered based on who we are, based on what our society's built on, and, and I think that's what shows and, and content like To Catch a Predator and modern-day iterations of it will, will never be able to succeed at doing.

long does it take to work through the entire process on average?

Those figures are not available, but it's years as opposed to weeks or months.

We know that the court delays are not just because we have the lowest number of judges, which we do have.

We know that the court delays are with the system.

So, you know, it's significant, but the damage that it's causing is unwritten.

We know now we're so aware of our mental health and what is happening to our children who are stuck in the middle of these adversarial cases is unwritten.

So, you know, we need to look at how best to deal with this, Anton, in a fashion that's looking after our children and our well-being.

So how do you change that culture and how do you change the system to incentivise people to go that route?