What have you learned about the conditions that allow cultural work to thrive over time and how time becomes a way of not constraining the work but actually allowing it to survive and live in a more beautiful way?

Well, I learned that the ship turns really slowly.

Mm-hmm.

I work at the Poetry Foundation here in Chicago and next year we'll be celebrating our 25th anniversary.

And one of the things that we're going through now is trying to imagine our place in the city and the world and poetry 25 years from now.

And putting that prompt out to the staff and the board has been surprisingly really hard for people.

Some people have really resisted it and said, well, I'm not going to be here in 25 years.

And sometimes I feel like our collective gain is just a little bit, it needs