It's a leap of faith even for the athlete.

Yes.

Yes.

Listen, um, I sit here today, um, because of my passion, my commitment, and my work ethic.

I, I always tell people I'm, I'm not the brightest, uh, guy in the room, but I'm the hardest working.

And so I think in, in order to create anything that's great, that's meaningful, that has value, you gotta put in the time, you gotta put in the work, you gotta make sacrifices, and you gotta be super passionate about it, and I'm super passionate about what I do.

I've been in the business for 25, 28 years.

Right.