H- how did that take place? Why did it take place? Be vulnerable with us.

Oh, man.

Where to begin? So first of all, the, the thing to understand is that the person that I was at that time was definitely someone who I was respected in the community.

I had a, a wife and a child, and basically I wanted to be someone that people could depend on, and that was very important to me.

It's sort of like where I built my identity.

What ended up happening i- in very plain terms was, yes, I s- I was sitting as the treasurer for my department.

I had been the treasurer for many years, no incident whatsoever, and then, [laughs] what's the term they say? Life got lifey.

What was that first time like? Did you think that you were doing something wrong? Where were you at?