Michael Sabom

He's pretty much had a 50 year career.

studying this phenomenon and it was one of the big biggest if not the biggest pioneer into of the academic research on nds but there have been others as well uh most notably dr kenneth ring also michael sabom uh jan holden later and yes it is true that especially earlier now there's a lot more awareness of nds There's still some stigma around it, but I think most people have heard of the term and many or most have at least a vague idea of what it is.

And I think this is in big part because of the amazing work done by these early pioneers in the field who have, to some extent, normalized the topic.

and just knowledge of NDEs.

And I also understand there are pretty incredible conferences for people who've had this experience and they can go and talk to other people.

And I've always thought that was amazing, that validation through community to say this really happened.

Yes, the International Association for Near-Death Studies that Dr. Grayson actually co-founded with kenneth ring and michael sabom and there's also one one more uh physician i believe whose name i'm forgetting that was founded in 81 and they've had annual conferences for a really long time and i as an nd researcher i go to those unfortunately this year is the first year in a while that i missed because i was at a different conference But one thing I've noticed over the past couple of years is how much bigger these conferences are getting.

It used to be only a couple hundred individuals, mostly people who've already had an NDE and a few researchers.

Well, I've created a whole playlist of just near-death experiences.

I've had a chance to interview Michael Sabom, who's a legend in this.

Oh, he is.

Pim von Lommel.

Uh, further, as they indicated in the reenactment, Sullivan's eyes were taped shut, and a drape stood between him and the surgeon, so he couldn't have seen what was going on even if he had been awake.

A cardiologist named Michael Sabom collected several cases of NDEs in the book.

These included an experience of the same type, where the experiencer saw their immediate surroundings during the NDE.

What can you tell us?

From over Spetzler's shoulder, she saw a tool that looked like an electric toothbrush with bits kept in a small case.

She heard someone say the arteries on her right side were too small, and someone answered that, well, then they should try the other side.

NDE researcher Michael Sabom set out to check her account against what actually happened in the room.

The book continues.