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I would've never met this guy or have any sort of career, and never would've done all the things that I've done if, if that didn't happen.

So, but anyway, so what happened was basically that the style of music, as you, as I was talking about before, sort of shifted.

And Hatebreed and all those bands were starting to bring heavy music back into the mainstream, like hardcore and, and m- and, like, metalcore and punk and, um, and, and all that stuff, the heavy stuff.

And, um, we were sort of, like, n- in more of that Faith No More weird, uh, Red Hot Chili Peppers, um, you know, Rage Against the Machine hip hop metal type.

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